Doug Aurand
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Location: Albuquerque, NM, United States
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Broadband and DialUp
Posted: 27 Jun 2008 at 18:27 GMT
updated: 27 Jun 2008 at 18:29 GMT
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I stumbled across information on a statistic I've wondered about.
According to a number of reports & surveys, broadband use by USA Home Internet users is up to 90%
I've questioned this because the most popular video clip on my website, www.VirtualAlbuquerque.com, has both a broadband and dialup version, with the Dialup version being viewed 3 to 4 times as many times as the broadband version.
So far this month, the broadband file of "The Ride Up" the Sandia Peak Tramway has been viewed 52 times and the Dialup version 203 times. This ratio is pretty consistant among all the video clips on my site.
I just came across this wesbite that quotes 2 reports with conflicting information about broadband penetration, with one reporting only "57% overall" penetration
www.websiteoptimization.com/bw/2008/
I couldn't get a copy of the actual reorts
The relevance to VR Photographers is how big we make our image files.
I've stuck to the idea that I should offer (and I recomend to my customers they offer) versions of my Virtual Images and Video that were usable by both broadband and dialup users to make sure the largest number of Internet Surfers can view it.
Its the only smart way to produce media like ours, that file size and image quality are directly linked, when its apparent nobody really knows how much of the market has broadband
Later
Doug Aurand
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ebig
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Re: Broadband and DialUp
Posted: 27 Jun 2008 at 21:54 GMT
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Most folks seem to use the same data, from Mielsen...such as USA home broadband users decreasing:
www.clickz.com/showPage.html?page=3628934
The websiteoptimization.com statistics up to Jan 08 from Nielsen show 90% for "active" users (number logged on in previous 30 days,) and 57% for "all U.S. households." However the USA population is c. 305mm and 25% are under 18 years, so less than 50% households are users. Assume 99% of businesses use broadband.
So a question might be, should one emphasize what a client uses(say realtors & tourist facilities,) or what THEIR clients, the home buyers and tourists use?
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Ed
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Doug Aurand
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Re: Broadband and DialUp
Posted: 27 Jun 2008 at 22:26 GMT
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Ed
I didn't read it that way the first time.
Now I'm not sure what they're trying say with "57% of households having broadband." Without a breakdown of what, if anything, the other 43% of housholds have, the 57% is almost a useless statistic.
ebig said: So a question might be, should one emphasize what a client uses(say realtors & tourist facilities,) or what THEIR clients, the home buyers and tourists use?
My answer: Both.
Since its so easy to make a two versions of a Virtual Image or Video clip, one intended for DialUp and one for Broadband, why not make sure both can view the media?
Ed, thanx for pointing out what they were saying.
Doug Aurand
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michael przewrocki
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Re: Broadband and DialUp
Posted: 28 Jun 2008 at 1:02 GMT
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i could see the video(broadband) using a slow usb-modem(wireless). but ipi forget it).isnt it the company who is/was famous for its dictatorship. thinking they are the only ones who have invented "panoramatools"....? i am waiting 30 sec. and nothing is happening. i am surfing with restricted rights. safest way. but IPIX-FREE.
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Doug Aurand
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Re: Broadband and DialUp
Posted: 28 Jun 2008 at 14:28 GMT
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Michael
In case you not up on the news, iPIX Corporation filed for bankruptcy 2 years ago and has been liquidated.
Sony Corporation bough the patents that iPIX had and enforced in court. Minds Eye View bought most everything else including the name and software.
I'm not sure what it is you're waiting 30 seconds for?
Doug Aurand
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michael przewrocki
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Re: Broadband and DialUp
Posted: 5 Jul 2008 at 0:16 GMT
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ok cant know everything. dictators will be gone sooner or later.
i have now a clean new FF 20015 update and new java.ipix is working as quick as STEREOBEE on my website. loading in 1-3 sec. how big are the large ipix-images? i am on a slow usb-wireless-modem at home. those used for laptops outside home.
btw: i could install java in restricted mode but only manually. no further steps needed, just install downloaded exe. flashplayer install also worked in restricted account.
michael przewrocki
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michael przewrocki
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Re: Broadband and DialUp
Posted: 5 Jul 2008 at 1:55 GMT
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what was named IBMs old panorama-plugin?
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Doug Aurand
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Re: Broadband and DialUp
Posted: 5 Jul 2008 at 14:34 GMT
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Michael
The iPIX images on www.VirtualAlbuquerque.com labeled Super-Size are from 1MB to 1.5MB. They load pretty slow on a Dial-Up connection which is why I like to make the smaller 400KB Standard version of each image for my most recent work.
www.PhotoWebUSA.com does something similar with a small Java PTViewer version and a large QTVR version of each scene for their hotel tours.
As far as the "IBM Plug-In," are you talking about HotMedia?
Doug Aurand
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klaus mayer
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Re: Broadband and DialUp
Posted: 7 Jul 2008 at 4:52 GMT
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Despite having Broadband I frequently use DialUp links like many other internet users for the very simple reason that I am on a limited plan and I don't have to wait as long for the download to complete.
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Robert Bilsland
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Re: Broadband and DialUp
Posted: 7 Jul 2008 at 12:02 GMT
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The one thing you have to remember about these statistics is what do they class as a broadband connection? Over here in the UK they class anything faster than a ISDN line (64Kb) as broadband! Now in today's modern world that is not broadband, but by doing this it allows providers to claim that even connections provided over a very long distance at slow speeds are still broadband. Beware of a lot of marketing spin in these sorts of statistics!
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mediavets
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Re: Broadband and DialUp
Posted: 7 Jul 2008 at 12:24 GMT
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I think that in worst case people on ADSL broadband are getting about 512Kbps in UK?
Most on ADSL in UK are probably getting more than 1Mbps, I'm close to 3 miles form the exchange and get about 1.5Mbps.
Some on Unbundled Local Loop ADSL are getting much much bandwdth.
Compared to analogue dial up that's not too shabby.
Mind you it's poor compared to much of Scandinavia where I believe they've had quite low cost 10-20Mbps broadband for years.
OTOH my son was until recently living in Cambodia for many years where landline phones are rare - and new landline installations all but impossible to get - but almost everyone has a PAYG mobile handset. There Internet cafes seem to share an analogue dialup line and the service is often slow and unreliable. This must be true for many other so-called Third World countries which lack significant copper wire infrastructure and with the advent of mobile telephony are never likley to get it.
It's hard to see how the Digital Divide will ever be bridged.
Andrew
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Doug Aurand
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Re: Broadband and DialUp
Posted: 7 Jul 2008 at 14:10 GMT
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In the USA the "slower" 512kbps offered by the Baby Bells (the former AT&T regions) has largely faded into history. It was available in Albuquerque at a US$5 per month lower price
Qwest (the former Mountain Bell) offers 1.5mps for US$29.99 a month and 3mps at US$36.99 a month. You can get a lower price if you purchase a bundle services like Wireless, Long Distance along with Local Phone service
I just downloaded the Pwe Internet "Home Broadband Adoption 2008" survey but haven't had time to read it. Anybody interested in downloading it can go to www.pewinternet.org/PPF/r/257/report_display.asp and get a PDF of it
Doug Aurand
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Ayman
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Re: Broadband and DialUp
Posted: 7 Jul 2008 at 18:52 GMT
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Maybe you are just looking too deep into this than needs to be. I dont believe we should look at these numbers in the same way we look at the numbers for say browser users (IE, FireFox, Safari, etc.) or OS (Win, OSX, etc.) like what I do when I design websites. When it comes to software, it is mostly about user preference or limitations and they are usually very accurate and give you a clear direction for say website compatibility coding efforts.
When we look at the speed, it is a different case. The visitors simply browse a website and click on links mostly randomly or with speed in mind even if they have a fast connection. I use broadband all the time and I am an avid web surfer, but selectively open the high quality VR tours if I like the preview or was not fully satisfied from the low quality version. My first choice "default" is low quality (~300-400 k).
Having said that, you can keep posting the 2 versions and just accept the numbers as it is since it is simple to produce. Or take it to the other end and control what your visitors should view by limiting the options and post a single version with a mid quality that both satisfies you and the customers.
just my two cents.
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Ayman
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Doug Aurand
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Re: Broadband and DialUp
Posted: 8 Jul 2008 at 14:20 GMT
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Ayman
Ayman said: I use broadband all the time and I am an avid web surfer, but selectively open the high quality VR tours if I like the preview or was not fully satisfied from the low quality version. My first choice "default" is low quality (~300-400 k)
Your habit of "previewing" the smaller version of the virtual images is just another reason to offer 2 versions like the Panoguide Galleries do
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